REPs - What's the point?

[Lee]

The Register of Exercise Professionals (aka REPs or the Exercise Register) has been active now for over 5 years. It that space of time personal trainers and other exercise professionals have joined the register and fallen off it in record numbers.

The reason, I believe, is that REPs does very little, if anything(!) at all to show:

1. Value for money
2. That it aims to actively promote personal trainers
3. Support trainers in generating a customer base
4. Supporting new businesses with marketing / financial training.

Personally, I detest the idea of Register of Exercise Professionals because I get more than a sneeking suspicion that REPs works too closely to the courses it promotes to trainers and other exercise professionals. Suggesting that highly qualified personal trainers and the like should purchase training courses in an attempt to maintain their status on the register is disgusting and totally smacks of company back handers from training courses to the old boys club behind the idea of REPs.

The only way to affectively police the standard of personal trainers is to have a non biased organisation look to maintain and promote high level entry standards not show a total lack of industry knowledge by allowing 3 day course graduates to gain entry onto the register but totally shun those graduates of courses like the ACSM - which incedently looks upon REPs as a joke.

[Steven Hollinshead]

Hi Lee,

Well done at last someone has come out and said it. I have been a pt for over 10 years and have been extremely successful but REPs have kept me at level 2, as i do not fit into there shit course blackmail mold.

I started off with the YMCAand was that bemused at how basic the courses were, and so went on to do a dip in sports massage and then studyed with the chek institute. Neither of THESE recognised and this has now led me to change my career and i start a masters in osteopathy on friday. Thanks for speaking out for pt 's.

Steve

[Lee]

I was sent this response from a personal trainer that would like to remain anonymous.
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Hi Lee,

I read your article and couldn't agree more.......I believe we had a brief conversation a few months ago. REPS are promoting courses and churning out "qualified staff" in hoards.

My clients, my club and insurance company decide if I am competent, and are the ones that judge me and regulate me.

Cannons Health Club as a group are associated with REPS and so I have to be registered, it is not through choice.

I do understand why, the club have to been seen to employ staff that are qualified and regulated and so in turn the members feel more secure.
I would like to add to my qualifications but have to go through the courses listed and recommended by REPS and gain my CPD's ? It stinks.

I know what courses I want to do ( the ones most relative to my business).
The many private clubs look upon REPS as a restriction of trade almost and so do not recognize them. Thank goodness, the 17-20 year old "Graduate" would replace the experienced and trusted trainers.

REPS are without doubt self centered, and whats more annoying self regulated ,which is always very dangerous and are then open to personal gain.
The fact that they claim to be the only Register, and that clubs and trainers have to join them is just downright wrong and arrogant.

I am confronted with young inexperienced REPS staff at the end of the phone and email, who know absolutely nothing about the actual fitness industry and any of its present activity.

An association and website such as yourselves need to speak out a little more, be heard and let the public and unsuspecting trainers know exactly what they, REPS, do or don't do for thier fitness industry.

Posted by ANONYMOUS

[fitbiztraining]

Lee - you have made some very good points in your post.

I just wrote a very long reply but the site then decided to log me out so I am now going to write a slightly shorter reply!

We have GOT to have a governing body, but one that gives something back to it's members. I cannot be the only PT who is fed up of unqualified, uninsured and essentially dangerous cowboys competing for my business!

Perhaps a body run alongside the governments "lets stop this obesity crisis campaign" or similar which promotes personal training as a way to overcome problems in the UK with obesity would be a good idea. The government promoting aerobic activity as the only way to lose body fat really winds me up! The body would have to advertise personal training - we should not have to promote the benefits of using a personal trainer, rather just promote the benefits of using our own companies.

With regards to the CPD, I am rather confused as to why REPs approved courses cost about £25 more than not REPs approved!!

Again, I think furthering qualifications is very important, as it is sometimes easy to "forget" about new ways of thinking, new scientific research and new training methods - but why are we essentially paying for our CPD points? The REPs approved courses often have very poor content and I come away feeling I have not learnt very much!

I hope I have made some valid points, and that I have gone into sufficient detail in my second attempt at replying!

Best wishes,

Heather
www.fitbiztraining.co.uk

[Lee]

Posted to me by another personal trainer that is happy to post albeit anonymously
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Hi Lee

I read your article with interest and wholeheartedly agree with your points but would also like to add some comments.

I used to work as a course tutor for a fitness industry training provider. During these courses, I heard many stories of difficulties people were having with REPs. Examples include:
REPs refusing to recognise bona fide qualifications, higher than L3 (e.g. ACSM and 2/3 year training massage/therapy qualifications).

Acceptance to L3 of individuals who had not trained, let alone qualified, as PTs, but managed this through other means.

An organisation has existed for, I believe, more than 15 years, that catered for the interests of PTs - the National Register of Personal Trainers. However, with the establishment of REPs, some L3 registered individuals (without full qualification) have managed to gain membership of the NRPT, by virtue of their REPs status.

I believe it's reasonable to say that the majority of self-respecting, professionally-qualified PTs are behind the principle of regulation to ensure and maintain defined levels of standards in providing services to the general public.

Whilst REPs mission is, in principle, well-meaning, there certainly does seem to be evidence of an 'old-boys-club' as you put it.

Furthermore, the organization is biased towards the 'establishment fitness industry' and does not support self-employed members. (I refer in particular to the widespread practice amongst leading health clubs to charge self-employed PTs often extortionate fees to provide a service in their clubs which in fact contributes to their own profits through membership retention.) This practice has resulted in many newly qualified PTs getting into debt and/or pulling out of personal training, having invested substantially in their new career.

If REPs were to truly represent the interests of all members, then this scandalous practice should be dealt with. Then, perhaps (?), paying to retain membership might be worthwhile.
For my own part, I was happy to let my membership expire and have no intention of renewing it.

Not working in the 'establishment', there is no advantage whatsoever to REPs membership. I'll let the standard of my own qualifications speak for itself rather than pay REPs to do it for me at unnecessary cost.

Regards,

Former Register of Exercise Professionals member

[triceps]

hi lee yes your right reps is not good at all i have been with them for over 8 year now as long ss you pay you can get on there but what for i work out of fitness frst and you have to have reps to work there level 3 but i konw there some gym that take on trainers that are level 2 wich is not right leke la fitness so it going down the big chan of gym are not about fitness it all about money being a c.h.e.k.practitoner level 2 im at the top of what i do but the register dose look at cheks to be this i have spend over £20.000 and five years working on be come the best but they say because paul chek has not pay them they will not say we level 4 so yes your reps suck it money for not doing any thing and there couse are crap

[Lee]

Hi Triceps,

I think organisations and their training courses shouldn't be penalized on the fact that they don't pay REPs.

It should come down to the quality of the training course and the level of competence the course will give to personal trainers - who will then impart their new found knowledge on their clients.

If the new knowledge is good (and the personal trainer can successfully communicate this to their clients - a crucial skill) then the client will succeed in their goals.

I suppose the only loser in this suggestion would be REPs who won't gain an extra income from said training provider.

NOTE: An earlier email suggested REPs accreditted courses are apporx £25 extra than non REPs acceditted courses. This could be for one of two reasons.

1. Training course providers can charge more because their courses come with a REPs seal of approval.

or.

2. Every time a siad course generates a new training graduate this extra £25 is given to REPs as part of an affiliation / reward scheme.

I think the Register of Exercise Professionals have an obligation to clear up this merky issue.

[fitbiztraining]

Hi Lee,

I trust the general thoughts from this threat will be forwarded to REPs for their comments?

Best wishes,

Heather
www.fitbiztraining.co.uk

[Lee]

Hi Heather,

I'm not sure there are any threats posted here.

But I have sent REPs an email pointing to this discussion.

As yet we haven't had a response.

I'm sure REPs will be happy, in good time, to post their reply.

I, personally, am waiting with baited breath.

[Lee]

This email was sent to me. The exercise professional professional choses to be left nameless. Perhaps his views will add fuel to this debate.

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So where do we PTs stand and what can we do?

Sorry to be negative, but from my experience working for a fitness industry training company, having seen how the like have a deeply entrenched relationship with REPs and theirs with other organizations (FIA, SPRITO, etc....even now the NHS), it seems the voices of independent PTs like ourselves will not be heard, let alone respected.

An example of how REPs fail to act in the interests of their members is the exploitation of PTs by the 'Big Boys' to make extra income at PTs' expense. (I make these observations as a self-employed businessman of 30-years' experience)

The principle of investing in a 'franchise' is a well-established business opportunity that can certainly be a profitable venture. However, there are some important points to consider when it comes to such an opportunity in the fitness industry....

Companies offering franchises set up new businesses in areas where they will not encounter direct competition, so that the new business has the best possible chance to grow. For example, a franchise opportunity offering ,say, 'fast food' will not place an outlet adjacent to another, or even on the same high street. However, the fitness industry offers 'franchises' where several PTs compete side-by-side in the same club, paying the same fees, chasing a perhaps (very) limited market.

Any reliable accountant would recommend that this is ill-advised and can be a recipe for costly failure. Such business opportunities can be profitable, but the possibilities of success in such circumstances are very limited.

As long as the fitness industry training providers promote involvement with the leading health clubs as the only way to professional development, REPs will thrive, still failing to act in the members' genuine best interests, and PTs like ourselves will remain 'on the fringe', competing with L2 'cowboys' and others who have found a back-door way into L3 registration.

Former REPs Member.

[Lee]

An other email sent in from a disgruntled exercise professional.

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I have just read with interest the article by Lee regarding REPS.

You may already be aware that there is similar dissatisfaction within the sports massage industry with respect to regulation of that industry. Potential regulators are known to run their own, profit-making organizations to which, surprize surprize, there is pressure for already well-qualified therapists to enrole.

As a Chartered Physiotherapist who has been practicing sports massage and teaching it for over 8 years, I find it disgustingly disrespectful and shamefacedly arrogant of certain organizations to suggest that many of the hard working, enthusiastic and highly professional sports massagem theraists should need yet further training in order to maintain standards; to suggest that they don't meet a certain industry 'level'. I find it no surprize however, that a similar situation exists within the fitness industry and totally support Lee's feelings on the matter.

Let's face it, if you're no bloody good you\'re pretty soon out of work. There will always been the odd one or two not-so-well qualified people in fitness and in massage, but is that not also true of medicine? plumbing? accountancy? In my experience, most fitness instructors are outstandingly committed individuals, as are most professional sports masseurs. I totally agree that any 'governing' body should have no personal or financial interests that may be furthered by their procurement of members.

Chartered Physiotherapist

[Explore Yoga]

As a Yoga Teacher, I find REPS to be totally useless for a couple of very good reasons.

First of all, Yoga is not exercise, so why it should fall under the auspices of this register is a complete mystery.

Second, it is ineffective - there are still hundreds of people running "Yoga" classes in gyms through this country who are not experienced and qualified yoga teachers, merely exercise "professionals" who have taken a 3-day course and do an exercise class roughly based around yoga postures.

It offers nothing of value to real Yoga teachers, hence it is redundant.

Scott
Explore Yoga
www.exploreyoga.co.uk

[Lee]

The following was sent to me by the new Registar at the Register of Exercise Professionals.com.

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Dear Lee

I would like to introduce myself, I am the new Registrar at the Register of Exercise Professionals.

Having read the article recently posted on your website I thought I should point out a number of inaccuracies and misunderstandings contained in the article:

1. You are correct that record number of personal trainers and exercise professionals have joined the Register, there are currently over 27,000 professionals on REPS. To suggest that record numbers have “fallen off” the Register is inaccurate and false, the re-registration rate is 76% which clearly shows many professionals support the register, find benefits in registration and maintain their registration over a long period of time.

2. You misunderstand the aims of the Register, it does not actively support trainers to generate a customer base, there are other organisations out there that do this which we do not aim to compete with, REPs is a national public register, membership of which shows a professional is qualified, competent, insured, abides by a code of ethical practice and keeps their skills and knowledge up to date – it is a guarantee to the public.

3. REPs does not offer training of any type, including marketing/ finance, again this is not the aim of the register and is done by other organisations.

4. REPs does not “work too closely” to the courses it promotes. In fact REPs plays no role in the approval of courses which give entry to REPs and has no control over the list of courses which appears on its website. Course approval, for entry and CPD, is carried out by SkillsActive, the industry’s Sector Skills Council, through committees made up of industry representatives including employers, REPs members and academics. There is a transparent process which is open to all – we would be happy to send it to you.

5. As with many professional registers in others sectors, one of the principles behind REPs is continuing professional development. With few exceptions REPs members support the need to keep their skills and knowledge up to date and develop new skills, it is a fast changing industry after all. Clearly there will often be a cost to such training but CPD points can be gained from in-house company training, reading journals and attending conferences and events so it is not always necessary to purchase courses. When it comes to courses there are over 800 separate CPD courses listed on the REPs website from several hundred organisations, (don’t you think that’s rather large for an “old boys club”?). To imply the system is based on “company back handers” is false, inaccurate and potentially libellous. You seem to be against the principle of CPD, this is a view that would be entirely detrimental to the fitness industry.

6. REPs does not set the standards and does not receive a penny from any training provider through the endorsement of training for CPD

7. REPs is the non-biased organisation you seek to support. I can assure you it has no links or ties to any industry operator, awarding body, training provider or university. It exists solely to serve its members. The high entry standards exist, they are called the National Occupational Standards and are set by the industry (you or anybody else can contribute to them), again through SkillsActive. You cannot gain access to REPs with a three day courser. REPs has a very good relationship with ACSM, we meet with the ACSM Head of Certification at least once a year either in Europe or the US.

REPs has contributed to the increased professionalisation of the fitness industry over the last five years, because of REPs the industry is taking strides towards becoming a serious partner to the government and the health sector in achieving a fit and healthy nation. A register of professionals who can demonstrate that they are qualified and competent and that they can deliver safe and effective exercise to the public is having a positive impact on the industry. There is industry support for the register from the FIA, the majority of fitness employers, the education system, the Department of Health and 27,000 exercise professionals including over 10,000 self employed professionals.

I hope you will also support the industry and consider correcting the inaccuracies in your article or removing the article from your website.

Yours sincerely

Jean Ann Marnoch
Registrar
Register of Exercise Professionals UK

[REPs Member]

Having now seen the REPS Registrars response, it is a predictable text book reply from a new employee who has only been in the job a short time. ( Please tell me I am wrong, tell me Jean has come through the REPS ranks and been in the Fitness Industry for years) I may feel more secure and confident where REPS may be headed..

The quotes are directly from the REPS little hand book used for media and PR and from someone really out of touch with the fitness industry.

The main flaw with REPS is that its members are classed as Professionals, where in fact the majority are amateurs, recently qualified, masquerading as Professionals. "..there are currently over 27,000 professionals on REPS." I would be interested to know what REPS thinks it takes to become a full time Professional. A few CPD's ?

REPS need to prove that there ar e no back-handers going on before threatening...People are not stupid and will make there own decisions.

Do not delete this article and bow down to any threats this Registrar makes to you, as her organization continues to do. Even the standard reminder letters that come from REPS are more like demands from collection agencies.

From a current member of REPS

[Rich D]

After research and reading the Industry's magazines this week, I have been a little harsh on guessing the new REPS registrars qualifications for the job. Without doubt Jean Ann has the right CV.
Lets see if REPS can now move on offering all Course administrators and experienced Professional Personal Trainers a level playing field and lets see if She has her finger on the industry's pulse.
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This forum and website though must continue to monitor REPS' own administration and bring to the publics attention anything that is not in the interest of its members.

[Sean Newton]

Well done Lee
You stuck your neck out and now you've got REP's pissed.

As a REPs member with 10yrs in the industry I agree with most of the blog posts.

The theory behind REP's is sound yet as a freelancer I too have found recommended courses expensive for product they offer.
REP's should have a free membership on condition that evidence of CPD's is provided. This isn't too much to ask as CPD is good for the professional and should take on many forms (not just a limited selection as shown on the REP's website). Plus comments from the CEO in the recent Health Club management about the fitness related degree courses being too academic and not practical enough for the market etc doesn't bode well he has a slight point but the alternatives aren't exactly value for money or are very expensive with no wider appeal. Besides, I'm sure he'd rather have his relatives trained by a graduate than some level 2 numpty suggesting an inappropriate 3 sets of 10...

What has bugged me for years is REP's smug self assurance. Quite unwarranted given the current obesity epidemic.

REP's basically needs competition and clarity of values. Either its an official registar with less ambiguity over qualifications and entry or it 'pulls it socks up' if it wants to become more of the governing body that it aspires to be. The FIA ought to have more prominence than REP's. Apart from its revamped website its been a rather quiet sibling when it should be the national voice and rubberstamp of authority

I could go on but I'll leave it there. Well done mate, I'll be advertising with you soon depending on how heavy REP's squash ya!

Sean

[cristianabella]

Hi all,
I agree with the majority of you! I am a well established PT with more than 25 years experience in the fitness industry as I've been a professional ballet dancer for 15 years before becoming PT and Coach. The REPs in my opinion, is just a waste of time and money for most members as it does absolutely nothing for us a part from charging the registration fee. I work for 4 major Health Companies in UK, to say there are more REPs Level 2 registered Instructors which are absolutely incompetent is not a lie, what are the REPs criteria to allow this unprofessional to work remain uknown!

[Former REPs member]

In response to the reply from REPs registrar, there is some denial of valid points raised by fellow fitness professionsals on the forum.

Speaking as a former tutor of five years experience for a training course provider, I can state that the evidence presented to me by a considerable number of course students, training for their PT and GP Referral qualifications, showed that REPs fail to respect qualifications well above L3 standards, and worse than that, they are prepared to register members at L3, who do/or intend to practice as personal trainers, who have not actually passed a qualification exam.

One recent example was a case of staff of a private health club gaining L3 status on the grounds that their employer had falsified evidence that these fitness instructors were worthy of PT/L3 staus becuse they had achieved 1000 hours of experience. (This was not true.) I've been told, first hand, of similar instances.

It's also certainly true that many REPs staff handling enquiries and complaints, have little, if any, knowledge of the fitness industry and the nature of qualifications. Consequently, they are not in a position to handle complaints and appeals.

The REPs registrar also mentioned a 'relationship' with the ACSM, whose qualifications are respected worldwide (not just nationally in the UK). Are those of us with ACSM qualifications now REPs respected? (The former 'HFI' - now 'Health/Fitness Specialist' standard is way above NVQ L3, but REPs don't have a level to accommodate us.) Also, how about fellow professionals with national standards therapy qualifications gained on course of 2/3 years - NOT 2/3 DAYS!

I think it might be possible for some faith in REPs to be restored if the Registrar would respond to our specific comments rather than issue a blanket denial, and ignore former members' genuine grievances.

Fat hope I guess!

Regards
Former dissatisfied REPs member.

[Lee]

Perhaps the issue is that REPs is simply incompetent due to the size of the task.

Back in the day when REPs first started and the last time I called them (approx a year ago) they had only a couple of people in the office processing appliaction forms etc.

So maybe people slip through the net because the Register of Exercise Professionals can't cope with the number of professionals they are working with / for / supporting / whatever.

I mention this because a good friend of mine was once REPs acceditted for a full 14 months without a first aid qualification. This meant that they held REPs insurance but not the prerequisite qualifications needed to gain this safety net.

She had actually sent in an expired first aid certificate - which was given the all clear!!!

A genuine mistake by all parties I'm sure but things like this shouldn't slip through the REPs office unnoticed surely.

Also ... I have spoken to a number of 'personal trainers' since setting up this site who think they have personal trainer status (and can thus act as a REPs accreditted PT) only to find out that their REPs Level 3 status might not actual mean REPs Level 3 Personal Trainer status - they are different (look into it).

Is this a simple lack of commuication on the part of REPs with ther members or a complete lack of industury understanding and empathy on the part of a government endorsed organisation. Weird, because that has never happened before has it.

;-)

[cristianabella]

The reply from REPs has carefully "avoided" any mention to the criteria they use to assess new members and why certain professionals are not considered experienced enough to progress from Level 2 to 3. The Registrar is there "just to look pretty" as her knowledge on the subject seems less than nothing!!!!!!!

[gbfitness]

I have a good few quals behind me and even more years of experience ... I impart both on to the students that attend my courses and they go on to do great work and in-fact some have even won the odd award or several.

My work has produced a few successful athletes ;) (just a small fraction of my client base):

Past & Present Clients/*Students (** denotes both) Include:
* Charles Clairmonte – 4 x Mr Universe and leading IFBB Pro
* Julian Golley – Commonwealth Games Triple Jump Gold Medal winner
* Stevie Smith – World IBC Boxing Champion
* Luke Crawley – G.B. International High Jumper
** Julie Crane – G.B. & Wales (5 x Welsh champion) Int. High Jumper and Commonwealth Silver Medallist
Joey Bull – 4 x Ms. Fitness Great Britain
**Tim Rosiek – Junior Mr Universe Runner Up and Jnr Mr World Runner Up 2004
Lohani Rochi – 3 x Ms. Physique G.B. & IFBB Professional Body Builder
Mark Povey – West Mids. Bodybuilding Champion & Novice Mr. Britain
Warren Dyson – Mr. U.K. Bodybuilding Champion 2000
Mark Turvey - W.P.F. Senior European Body Building Champion
Gary King - British, European & World Champion Powerlifter
** Tereska Browning – Overall British Female Body Building Champ 2002
George Gallagher– NABBA 1st Timers British Body Building Champ 2002
** Nicola Elding – BAWLA British Powerlifting Champion
Adam Williams – Jnr. Welsh Swimming Champion
** Dennis Francis – British Body Building Champion and IFBB Professional
David White – SPF Mr Scotland 2005
** Adele Gibbon – ANB Ms Figure UK 2003 and NPA Ms Trained Figure UK 2004
** Corrina Martin – NABBA Midlands Figure Champion and EPF Ms Figure UK 2004
* Dan Donovan – GB International 400 metre sprinter
Sharon Clare – British Female Natural Bodybuilding Champion 2004
Peter Lawson – West Midlands Bodybuilding Champion 2004
Carl Cort – Professional Footballer
Nicky Fogarty – Ms Figure Midlands Champion 2005
** Kirsty Kent – NPA Female Physique UK, British and World Champion 2004
** Andi Black – NABBA Ms Fitness Great Britain & Ms Fitness Universe and WFF Ms Universe 2004, NPA Trained Figure & Overall British Champion and UIBBN Ms World 2004, Ms Fitness Expo and Overall Ms Expo 2005
Kevin Skelland – NPA Mr Britain and UIBBN Mr World 2005
* Mark Hylton – Olympic Silver Medallist 4 x 400 metre relay
* Rick Gannon – British Natural Bodybuilding Champion
Kevin Brown – 2 x World Masters Discus Champion
** Diane Youdale – ‘Jet’ from ‘The Gladiators’
Karen Norris – Ms Toned Figure Midlands Champion 2006, Ms Body Fitness N.E. 2007
** Colette Pendry – British Powerlifting Champion
** Brendan O’Neill – Professional Golfer
** Debbie Rowe – G.B. Triple Jumper
** Mandie Grace – NPA Welsh Womens Natural Bodybuilding Champion and Best Presentation 2006, Gravesend Open Championships winner, Muscle Mania Champion
** Lisa Carrodus – BNBF Central Heavyweight Womens Natural Bodybuilding Champion 2006, WABBA UK Champion, FAME Champion 2007, WFF Universe Champion 2007, NABBA Ms World Runner Up 2007
Tygoli Ano - BNBF Central Novice Mens Natural Bodybuilding Champion, NPA Heart of England Novice Mens Natural Bodybuilding Champion and Muscle Mania Champion 2006, NPA British Champion Runner Up
Catherine Belso – 2006 Muscle Mania Ms Bikini Champion and Ms Model Champion
Stan Collymore – Professional Football player
Michael Ricketts - Professional Football player
** Anna Walewska – Professional Racing Driver
** Neil Campbell – Olympic Sprint Cyclist
** Tim Benjamin – G.B. 400 m Sprinter
** Davie White – SPF Mr Scotland
* John Heaton – NPA British Heavyweight Champion
** Darren Coussens – UKBFF London and Southeast Bodybuilding Champion
Graham Earl – W.B.U. Lightweight World Boxing Champion
** Nathan Harman – ex British Champion Cyclist
** Mark Findley – G.B. Sprinter
** Kelly Jones – Ms Fitness Wales 2007
** Marc Giles -WDFPA World Masters Bench Press and Deadlift Champion
Paul Daley – 3rd in Muscle Mania World Championships
Danny Fowler – 2 x British Junior Amateur Boxing Champion
Chris Nero – Professional Ruby Player
Rhys Weston – Professional Footballer
Scott Dan – Professional Footballer
Anthony Gerrard - Professional Footballer
Lee Peltier - Professional Footballer
Kelvin Atuhu - Professional Footballer
Paul Marshall - Professional Footballer
Danny Fox - Professional Footballer
** Lee Harding – 1st Timers Midlands Bodybuilding Champion
Neil Perkins- Professional Heavyweight Boxer
David Le Grys - 19 times World Masters Cycling Champion and World Record Holder

and yet BECAUSE I teach what actually WORKS, and have the cajones to assure standards of examination are met by means of a full written paper rather than a 20 minute 'find-the-answer' quiz (I believe they call it multiple guess or choice or cheat and get them all through or something!?) I am some kind of 'maverik' or anti christ in the eyes of REPs ... so be it. I am still around and still helping 'educate' rather than badly 'school' more misinformed and poorly trained and assessed industry robots.

gotta go ... I have clients to educate and make a difference with! :cool:

Cain
http://www.gbfitness.com
cain@gbfitness.com

[Lee]

Ah Cain,

I did wonder whether you'd post and you have. Well done.

When I started this post I actually thought of the conversation we had some time ago about the REPs operated and the courses that did and din't get REPs accreditation.

Again, thanks for your opinion - very valuable to this post.