KP: Hallo and welcome to today’s Lifestyle Show, I’m Katie Pullinger and today we are joined by Georgina Goodman, top shoe designer, top British shoe designer of course. And this week London Fashion Week’s begun! It is buzzing all around the capital and we are going to be talking today about one of the events that is going to be there which is of course, the Aesthetica Show and on show at that will be Georgina’s fabulous recycled shoes. Well, the shoes aren’t recycled are they, Georgina, but they’ve been made out of recycled cans. Hallo and welcome to you, how are you today?
GG: I’m really good, bit tired, it’s London Fashion Week, it’s always a little bit of a hectic fashion moment. You know, running around, not really enough time to do everything but it’s a great week.
KP: It is a great week. Now, I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of people out there who want to ask you lots of questions. Now on the screen that you’re looking at right now, there’s a box below it where you can submit your questions to us. Literally type it in, press ‘submit’ and it will come straight through to us here in the studio and we will answer as many as we can get through so keep them coming in because Georgina is ready and waiting, aren’t you.
GG: Bit nervous, don’t ask me anything too difficult.
KP: I’m sure there’ll be nothing too challenging, don’t worry. Now tell us about these shoes, because the shoes that you can see right here, they’re stunning but they’re actually made out of recycled cans, aren’t they.
GG: Yeah, they are. As a designer, you’re sort of presented with different materials to use and it’s very exciting and challenging to be presented with a material like metal and this is recycled drinks cans specifically. To make something elegant and amazing and very glamorous and I’d say very ‘red carpet’ - because conjuring up a picture of something recycled, especially in fashion, it doesn’t always feel like it’s a glamorous item.
KP: Well, I think that’s the wonderful thing about seeing these in front of us is that you’d never know that those were made out of – well, they could have been anything, couldn’t they, just old cans of any kind.
GG: Well, I think also metal, which is a hard material, putting it next to your skin you have to obviously use it in a way that isn’t going to cut your feet up or hurt you when you’re stitching it …
KP: Exactly, which is where the leather comes in I see.
GG: Yes, I think that leather is an ideal material for making shoes out of which is why, since Roman times, we’ve made shoes out of leather. But to back the recycled can onto the leather – the two things work really brilliantly.
KP: So is that what inspired you to do it? You realised that as a medium, the cans were going to be the easiest thing to use.
GG: Well, I think the interesting thing for me is that a drinks can is infinitely recyclable so you literally could unpick this metal, take it off the shoe, melt it down …
KP: And use them again.
GG: I mean a drinks can be crushed down, put in a bin and six weeks later it ends up on the shelf again.
KP: It could be another can that you’re drinking out of.
GG: Absolutely. For me it’s just wow! That’s such an interesting concept. I mean I’m really interested in recycling anyway and I do my very best but if I’m shown something which is completely recyclable like a drinks can, I was just quite excited to try and make something gorgeous and glamorous out of it and this is the result.
KP: Now how did you actually get into shoe design in the first place? Because, obviously, there’s so many different areas of fashion that you could have gone into. What was it about shoes?
GG: Well, I used to be a fashion stylist and I was on that sort of side of the industry and then I really wanted to make something three-dimensional and the clothes never really inspired me but I always loved shoes. And so I actually came to shoe design quite late in life, I went back to college in my thirties. I always think you can do anything you want to do at any point in your life which I think is an exciting thing, especially about fashion because you can just go back to college and relearn anything. And I learnt how to make shoes and I just loved it and I found my thing.
KP: You found your niche.
GG: I did, yeah.
KP: That actually answers Becky’s question. She actually wrote in and asked us, “What inspired you to create your shoes made out of recycled cans?” So that answers your question for you. So you’ve been doing this for quite a while and you do actually have a shop in Mayfair, is it?
GG: That’s right in Shepherd Street, Mayfair and yes, it’s a destination retail where people can come and they can either have a couture service where they get their feet measured and lots of glasses of champagne or cups of tea or cake or whatever you want. You know, girls love it. They just come and have an afternoon out. You don’t have to buy anything, just come and try shoes on. Or we’ve got a ready-to-wear service as well so you could actually walk out with a pair of shoes which I just think some women want to have the whole 6 to 8 weeks; wait for something special like a wedding …
KP: Some want it instantly.
GG: Yeah, I mean, I like to shop instantly, instant gratification, that’s really what shoe shopping is. It’s really a kind of – like having a bar of chocolate!
KP: It is, isn’t it. Nothing beats a new pair of shoes out of the box, does it.
GG: Absolutely not.
KP: We’ve actually got a question from Chloe and she wants to know, “Recycling seems to be in fashion this year, why do you think that is?” Why has it suddenly become such a big deal?
GG: Well, I really hope it’s not a fashion thing because fashion sort of denotes something that’s going to go in and out. I actually think it’s a symptom of something that’s happening on a deeper level. Not to get too heavy into it but I actually think that we realise that we are ruining our planet.
KP: Exactly, yes.
GG: And if we don’t start doing something about it, and it really does make a difference if you just start at home. You know, you can ring up your local council, find out what recycling schemes are in your region.
KP: And there are loads, aren’t there. There are loads of schemes at the moment.
GG: There are loads. I love it. At the moment I can recycle my food scraps.
KP: I know, I’ve sent that. People had these little buckets outside their houses.
GG: Yes, I love it. And in the boxes in Brent council, I’m in Brent, Brent council have glass, paper and tin foil. I have to take my cans and plastic to the supermarket but I just think more and more, if we just demand it then it’s going to happen in our local way.
KP: And you do have to demand it otherwise these things won’t change. Like you said, destroying the planet, we’ve got to do something about it and if it means making shoes out of cans well, then why not.
GG: Well anything is a message isn’t it. I just think if we really start at home it really does make a big difference. And people say, “Oh, it doesn’t make a difference if I do it”. Well, it does.
KP: Exactly, if everyone does it – it’s like turning off that one light switch that you’ve forgotten about, it’s important that everyone does it. Now we’ve got another question and it’s from Helen, hallo to you. “Metal shoes, what’s next? Full metal jacket?” Oh very, very clever! What do you reckon, are you going to make more clothing?
GG: You could do, yeah, you could make anything out of this material if you use it in the right way. And as I say, it’s a creative challenge. You can really make any material beautiful.
KP: Yes, well that’s been proven here.
GG: Exactly and I think that to take something hard and sharp like metal and to turn it into something elegant and smooth …
KP: Because when I heard that you were going to be bringing in a pair of shoes made of tin cans, I thought ‘ouch!’ You know, because like you said, you’re always worried about them cutting but when you see this with the softness of the leather inside it’s amazing what you can do. And what other materials have you been inspired perhaps to think about recycling into shoes? Have you thought of anything else?
GG: Well, the interesting thing is in my work I recycle everything so I have what’s called a scraps box.
KP: Oh right, okay.
GG: So it’s not just recycled drinks cans. We drink Diet Coke all the time. We’re having that Diet Coke moment the whole time at Georgina Goodman and we did have a big pile of cans and for all the research and the prototypes we made out of really cutting out of cans, yeah, it’s just - sorry, I’ve lost my thread!
KP: Talking about what other things would you make shoes out of because actually Sarah has also asked this question, “Do you use a lot of recycled fabrics in your normal designs, I mean are you using old hessian sacks or …
GG: No I don’t but I do recycle every single piece of leather so I’ll cut a pair of shoes out and anything that’s left over which is quite often a strange shape I just think I cannot bear the thought of …
KP: Throwing it away.
GG: And quite literally an animal dying to make a pair of shoes so if you’re using the whole thing … everything I use is part of the food chain so I never use an animal that can’t be eaten and then out of those scraps I’ll make purses or key rings and then out of the smaller scraps –
KP: There’s always something to do there. Never throw anything away.
GG: Always something, for three years I’ve got a scraps box and it’s like only half full.
KP: Right, so even if you don’t use it that month you’re going to keep it so that in a couple of months down the line you’ll suddenly go, ‘There was that funky shape that I had there.’ We’ve got another question here from Anna. Keep them coming, keep submitting your questions in the box at the bottom of your screen. Now Anna wants to know “Is renewable fashion the new vintage?” Because of course, vintage has been huge which is kind of recycling anyway, isn’t it.
GG: Totally recycling. I think it is. Is renewable fashion the new vintage? I think things take a little longer to catch on. When you think about how long vintage has been coming, it’s been a kind of 10 year process I’d say. And now it’s like, ‘Ooh, vintage, vintage!’ Vintage at Top Shop, vintage everywhere, ‘I only wear vintage this season.’ So vintage of course, is a big, big trend. But as you said it is ultimately recycling. Because you’re wearing old clothes and so you’re not throwing them away. But I do think renewable fashion, I hope, is a deep trend not a fashion trend.
KP: Yeah. Hopefully, it’ll be around for always.
KP: Now what are you most looking forward to at London Fashion Week this week? Because it’s going to be really busy, isn’t it.
GG: Yes, it’s really busy, there’s lots of shows. I think there’s about sort of 50 on-schedule shows which means they’re the sort of British Fashion Council ones and then there’s like off-schedule shows which are the sort of smaller designers, the more niche things. I think all-in-all there’s about 80/90 shows so you can really take your pick and unfortunately, just as a member of the public, you can’t go to a fashion show. But as part of my work I kind of get invited to various things. I’m going to Zandra Rhodes
KP: Brilliant, that’ll be really whacky.
GG: I know. Very excited about that. I’m going to Biba. I’m taking my 5 year old child to Biba.
KP: I’m so glad that Biba came back.
GG: I know.
KP: So of course, that was huge in what - the 60s and 70s, wasn’t it.
GG: I know, amazing. And here’s my little catwalk bible, catwalk show schedule. I went to Gardem today, that was a great Paris designer. Basso and Brooke I’m going to tomorrow, Betty Jackson, Clare Taft, Zandra Rhodes, and so I’m going to about 5 or 6 shows and then the last show of London Fashion Week which is on Friday is Julien MacDonald. Dah-daah!! That’ll be a celeb fest.
GG: It’ll be
KP: To finish off the week, fabulous.
GG: So, I mean there are just loads and loads of shows here so it is really exciting because think the energy in London has been quite down for a few seasons because the big, big designers have all gone to Paris or New York.
KP: Well, do you know what, this links really nicely in with this question from Joe. He says, “What do you think about London Fashion Week in contrast with Paris and New York, is it better or worse?”
GG: I don’t think there’s a better or worse scenario here but I mean, London goes in ebbs and flows. At the moment we’re not the most popular fashion capital.
KP: Why not?
GG: Because I just think there’s a different – the Government invests money in different areas at the moment and perhaps they don’t invest enough in young designers or the fashion industry as a whole and, as I say, the bigger designers are going to show in Paris and New York because really that’s where the buyers and the world press are going to. They’re not at the moment coming to London but this happens, every 10 years London’s like – dah daah! – fantastic, yeah. And just at the moment we’re just struggling but what’s really exciting is that we’re always, always brimming with new designers, new, young, fresh talent. That’s what we’re known for.
KP: Yeah, absolutely. Now you were saying earlier that you have to have tickets to go to London Fashion Week, you’ve got to be invited. But the general public, where are they going to be able to see all these clothes? I mean are there going to be lots of televised events, or anything like that?
GG: I think there are, people do put the events on the television. I think you can always go to vogue.com or style.com and have a look at those on the internet as well. You can have a look at all the shows. The other thing that’s exciting is at the end of Fashion Week there’s Fashion Weekend, which is a big sale. Most of the designers put their collections on sale, either their sample collections, not things from the season that they’re showing but from last season or things that are in the shops now. So that’s really great.
KP: Oh, that sounds exciting!
GG: I actually go to that and sort of stock up on my clothes for the next season which is great.
KP: Exactly, when you get it the season after surely that’s vintage. (Laughter) And it’s going to be in fashion again.
KP: Now, tell me about the shoes, are they going to be on show where?
GG: Well, they’re not actually on show at the London Fashion Week show but they’re going to be exclusively sitting on a plinth in my shop in Mayfair.
KP: That’s a shrine.
GG: This beautiful plinth and they’re going to be there and anyone can come along and see them. And again, you can have a look at the website, the cancouture website for them as well, but I think to look at them in person and just to pick them up and have a look how beautiful they are and how amazing they …
KP: Oh, yes. I mean anyone who’s actually interested in designing shoes can see the actual working around here, I mean, the actual stitches are part of the design, aren’t they. They look brilliant, absolutely brilliant. So what made you go with this particular design because I mean you could have done anything with the cans, couldn’t you? I love these little tags on the end, too.
GG: Yes, they’re pulls.
KP: They’re great. The ring-pulls at the ends of the actual laces, I assume that those wrap up around the ankle.
GG: That’s right, yeah. Well, the stitching is very signature Georgina Goodman and so we decided to go for something that looked very much like a Georgina Goodman signature couture shoe but to use a different material and then the heels are made from cast aluminium. So this is melted down recycled drinks cans here.
KP: So is that solid heel?
GG: This is solid but it’s melted down and then cast into a twist.
KP: It’s so clever and then of course, if you really wanted to, I would hate to think of these being melted down, but they could be melted down again and then remade as a completely different shoe.
GG: Absolutely, or a different item of any kind.
KP: Which is a great think about the recycling and something that you can do at home to actually help the environment yourselves and obviously, you don’t have to be making your own shoes but you know, just being part of it and just constantly doing the recycling.
GG: Just crush a can. Just crush a can and make sure you put it in a recycling bin and you know it’s going to come back to you in 6 weeks time.
KP: And that’s amazing. 6 weeks, that can could be back on the shelf.
GG: I know.
KP: Now, we do have another question, from Rachel. And she wants to know, “I don’t see shoes like this on the high street. Are they very expensive to buy?”
GG: Well, Rachel, as I say this is not really a high street shoe.
KP: Exactly, there’s not going to be loads of these, is there.
GG: No, it’s a couture – this is a one-off piece. And couture normally means one customer comes in, Madonna comes in, say and says, ‘I really want a shoe for this certain event’ and you measure the foot and you take all the exact measurements of her foot and then exactly what she wants; draw a picture of what she wants and then one shoe will be made for one person. This is a couture –
KP: Right, that is what couture is.
GG: That’s what couture is, exactly.
KP: Right, now I just want to show you up nice and close to show you what these shoes actually look like because they are brilliant. My favourite bit is the ring-pulls on the tags, they’re brilliant, and that flower at the front and that stitching. What is the stitching?
GG: Basically, it’s a classic saddle stitch. So it’s a technique used in saddlery and, as I say, a lot of the Georgina Goodman couture shoes use that. We always used yellow stitching but we’ve decided to go with lilac stitching for this because it looked a little bit more chic!
KP: Yes, and it’s very subtle, isn’t it. I love these kinds of designs where, the more you look at, the more you realise what’s been done with them.
GG: Just to go back to Rachel’s question – some shoes you see which are really, really over the top, no you can’t buy those on the high street but you can buy versions of sort of couture items or designs because designers – especially now at Fashion Week, are designing their fantasy items or things that they think are going to be the trend. Then the high street will interpret and take that and make it into something more wearable. So I think the high street and designers do very different jobs. So Rachel will be able to buy something similar.
KP: Something similar but a little bit more wearable.
GG: Yes, exactly.
KP: Now, what’s big at the moment. What’s big this season in shoes?
GG: Well, what people are buying, they’re still buying platforms. I’m going with thinner heels again. I’m sort of moving back into the thinner heel because I just think it’s ultimately elegant and looks gorgeous.
KP: Just makes your ankle look fabulous!
GG: But people are still buying platforms and people are still showing platforms on the catwalk.
KP: Right, actually, talking about platforms it kind of links in with this from Darren, “I love shoes. Is Christian Labutin still the man to watch?” Because he brought those shoes with the kind of platform at the front, didn’t he, that were huge.
GG: Exactly, Christian Labutin is at the top of his game. So, for me Manolo’s the king; I’d say he is the crown prince as in he’s next in line.
KP: Now “Where would you place yourself on the shoe designer ladder? Red or Dead? Manolo or Mr Choo?” That’s from Frances, that’s a bit of a – where would you put yourself?
GG: I wouldn’t align myself next to any of those names because actually I feel I’m quite a different cup of tea, you know.
KP: Everyone’s different, aren’t they.
GG: Everyone’s different and there’s room for everybody. As I say, Manolo’s my favourite, I mean he’s just amazing. You know, he’s just the kingpin. And he’s a lovely guy, you know, he’s a really lovely man. He was my teacher, he was actually one of my tutors at college.
KP: Wow! There are fashion students out there going, ‘Wow, that’s so brilliant!’
GG: And he’s a very inspiring person and actually extremely generous with his time etc. So for me he’s really amazing and I think Red or Dead have had an amazing effect on fashion and Jimmy Choo, the brand has been phenomenal.
KP: It has and you know, especially with Manolo and Jimmy Choo, things like ‘Sex in the City’ have really done a lot for them as well. I mean I know they were brands and wonderful shoes on their own but Sarah Jessica Parker, she’s done a lot for shoes I think.
GG: I think it sort of spun, certainly Manolo, into the stratosphere, as a global brand. Before, he was like – everyone knew who he was in London. He was like really well respected.
KP: If you knew your stuff then you knew who he was, yeah.
GG: Actually, he’s now a global phenomenon. Exactly, the same as Jimmy Choo, global. An amazing climb to fame. It’s just incredible.
KP: Who have you made shoes for before or who would you like to see your shoes on that you haven’t made them for already?
GG: Well, the exciting thing for us last week or the week before was Mischa Barton was sort of sprawled across in a pair of our shoes at the Grammys or the Emmys or something, in ‘OK’ magazine or ‘Grazia'. And I was just so excited by that.
GG: Mischa Barton in a pair of high, high platforms, goldfish platforms that I made. And Thandie Newton wears my shoes, Jerry Hall’s bought my shoes, like lots of kind of celebrities from L.A. They go into a shop and buy them. The great thing is I don’t give product away, they will actually come in and buy. So that’s really nice. But who would I like to make for? I Mean I’d love to make a pair of shoes for Madonna, I’d love it.
KP: Right, because she’s just the ultimate person, isn’t she.
GG: Hallo! We all love Madonna. So I would love to make a pair of shoes for Madonna and I would make them free!
KP: Okay. Madonna, just in case you’re listening, you’re getting a free pair of shoes from Georgina so, you know, knock at the door. We’ve got a question from Helena. Back to what should she be wearing, “Should I be wearing round toes or pointed this season?”
GG: Okay, I think what’s really interesting is individual style. If you want to wear round toes you can wear round toes and if you want to wear points, you can wear points. It’s really open at the moment. There are round toes. There are points. The big thing coming through is the square.
KP: Oh really?
GG: You know, it’s going to be quite difficult for us to get out of our round toes.
KP: Yeah, we’ve only just got used to them.
GG: We’ve just got used to them. But from a design point of view we’re all kind of moving towards squares. So following in the sort of Roger Vivier square 60s look, squares are kind of quite popular. Especially selling in Italy. I’m selling a lot of squared toes in Italy. I’d say stay in your round toes for now and invest in a pair of pointed toes for winter. Right now though keep in your round toes.
KP: Keep the round toes in then. Now we’ve got another question from Louise and she wants to know, “What are the major fashion shoe trends for autumn and winter?” So what’s coming up at the end of this year which is kind of basically what you were talking about.
GG: Well, what are major fashion shoe trends?
KP: Peep-toe? I’ve seen quite a lot of that around.
GG: I don’t think – not a sensible shoe for winter though, is it.
KP: No, cold toes!
GG: I think there’s a lot of boots. If you’re going to invest in one or two things, I’d get yourself a fabulous pair of boots.
KP: Because the ankle boots are pretty big at the moment, aren’t they.
GG: The ankle bootee. Exactly, the sort of wide bootee.
KP: Yeah with the fold-over. Yeah, Kate Moss has been out in those a lot lately, with her little skirts.
GG: I mean they’re around from designer versions to high street versions you can get then all. And I was in Barney’s in New York a few days ago and people are just going mad for boots. They’re all buying boots. Boots are the big thing.
KP: Sounds so glamorous, ‘I was in Barney’s the other day in New York’!
GG: I know, my life is so glamorous, so glamorous.
KP: We’ve got a question from Carol here. She says, “Please tell me what it’s like backstage at Fashion Week. Is it manic?”
GG: Yes. Manic, crazy. ‘Waaahh!! I’ve lost my this? I’ve lost my rubber bands!’ It’s fantastic. If you imagine an episode of ‘Ab-Fab’, that’s what it’s like.
KP: Right. Patsy and Eddie running around like crazy.
GG: It’s hilarious, it’s really hilarious. There’s always a crisis, there’s always a moment, you know. It’s the biggest crisis on earth if they can’t find a hairpin.
KP: The model hasn’t turned up, it doesn’t fit.
GG: It doesn’t fit … and then after the show everyone is just hugging each other going, ‘Darling, darling, isn’t it fabulous!’ It’s just exactly like ‘Ab-Fab’. But not in such a kind of awful way.
KP: But there must be like egos clashing and things like that. I mean is there any, you know, backstabbing or people trying to sabotage things or anything like that?
GG: I don’t think so. If you’re working on a show you just want it to get done. You want it to be the best it possibly can be, you want it to look great, you want it to be great. That’s why everyone gets in a panic. Because it’s just like this big event. Everyone’s been working for 6 months and it’s a lot of tension. But ultimately it always looks fantastic at the front and rarely things that are going wrong backstage do get seen front of stage. So I just think every single fashion show has its panicky moment.
KP: I’d love to see it, I’d love to see the backstage. Now going back to recycling we’ve got a question from Lily who wants to know, “Do you think that putting household objects on clothing will catch on?” What do you reckon?
GG: Household objects – not objects.
KP: Bit like customising. With bits and bobs around the house.
GG: I think customising has to find a new platform. Because as soon as you say ‘customising’ or ‘recycling’ as I’ve said before, it conjures up something not very glamorous and gorgeous but I think things can be used – if things are used in a clever and creative way then I don’t see why things aren’t going to start to be used in a fashion sense. Now, it could catch on.
KP: It could catch on. Are there any other designers at Fashion Week doing this? Because there is of course this showcase, the Aesthetica showcase, which is all about environmentally friendly designing really. I mean are other people doing it?
GG: There’s an amazing, amazing piece of clothing by Martin Marjella that’s made out of flat sandals, all cut up. Basically imagine a pair of sandals taken off the last and made flat like this and just made into a jacket.
KP: Oh, really?
GG: Yes, and there’s an amazing, amazing sense of - Martin Marjella is somebody who uses items in a really interesting way. So he’ll use whatever it might be in a couture way. Incredible. Robert Kerry Williams is another person who is showing off-schedule this week. He uses objects that definitely wouldn’t normally be seen on clothing. And for me the most interesting designer is Judy Blane who’s a jewellery designer and he uses champagne corks, knives and forks, incredible. Brilliant.
KP: Oh, they’re brilliant. That’s great again, that’s back to recycling, turn your knives and forks into a piece of jewellery. Why not?
GG: That’s right. But you’d look at it and you’d think what a beautiful thing, bottle tops …
KP: And not know what it was.
GG: Beautiful, beautiful, absolutely amazing.
KP: Now, we’ve only got a few minutes left of this so if you want to get a question in you need to do it now, right now. There’s a little box at the bottom of your screen. Type in your question, fire it in and we will try to squeeze it in for the last minute or two. Now back to recycling because that is obviously, something that we really want to talk about today. The fact that cans can be melted down again and again, made back into cans, you know, infinitely. And it is something that we should all be doing and I think this is wonderful that you’re inspiring people with that.
GG: Hopefully it does. Hopefully it does inspire somebody to sort of think about recycling their drinks cans.
KP: Art students and things like that I’m sure will perhaps maybe want to start bringing into their projects and things like that or maybe try and design a pair of shoes themselves. Why not? It could catch on. Now we’ve got a question from Carmel, “How much do those shoes cost and what’s going to happen to them?”
GG: Well they’re going to be on show for Fashion Week and then they’re going to be auctioned for the NSPCC and hopefully we’ll raise lots and lots of money for the NSPCC.
KP: Which is a really good cause.
GG: Yes, absolutely.
KP: And so these are going to be on show in your shop this week and one of the few things that people can actually get to go and see during London Fashion Week that they don’t have to have tickets for or have special invites to. Now quickly if you do have one more question just to stick in there at the end that we’ll be able to squeeze it in. But otherwise it has been really lovely having you here today and what’s the rest of the day now? It’s half past four. Are there any shows to go to later?
GG: I’ve got a party, 7pm to 11pm. Drinks, canapés.
KP: Lovely. You work so hard!
GG: Yeah, I might be on for that. And then I’ve got four shows to go to tomorrow and I’ve got buying appointments for my own collection, so that’s it.
KP: Brilliant, brilliant. Now you can of course, find out more about today by looking at cancouture.com where you’ll be able too see these pictures of these shoes and I think, some of the ways in which you came to actually design them.
GG: Yes, the process in how we made the shoes, so that’s really interesting to see. Especially if you’re a student, a shoe student, you’d be able to see each process.
KP: That’s cancouture.com. Nice and easy to find that. By the way, what size are these because I’m a little bit envious, I’ve got big, walloping feet. What are they? Am I going to cry?
KP: Me and my big, giant 41/42. Not good. See I heard you saying earlier, you’ve got a size 41.
GG: Yes, same as me.
KP: It’s hard to find shoes for bigger feet, isn’t it.
GG: Not if you’ve got your own shoe shop!
KP: Exactly. Look at me saying that to you! Listen, thank you so much for joining us today, it’s been lovely talking to you and amazing seeing these shoes.
GG: You’re welcome.
KP: And if you do get the chance to go and see them – where’s the shop one more time?
GG: It’s in Shepherd Street, Shepherd’s Market, W1.
KP: Wonderful. Well, thank you so much again and we shall see you next time and keep an eye out on more web chats coming your way.