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Hair loss is something that a large percentage of men dread as they get older. Some don’t start losing their hair until they’re in their 40’s or older, but others begin losing it as early as their twenties. And, it’s not just men who are affected; women can also find themselves losing their hair.

The way in which the sexes treat their hair loss can differ quite considerably according to a recent study conducted by Nourkrin. The survey also showed differences in attitudes across the different ages.

Four out of ten men and women say their hair is important to them yet only 18% of men compared to 45% of women say their hair is very important to them. Although women are less likely to be worried about it at a younger age as they believe it is less likely to happen to them in fact it is expected that one in three women will suffer from some form of hair loss at some stage in their life.

According to the survey, nearly a third of women said that they would be totally devastated if they lost their hair. 46% of them would consult their GP if they had a hair loss problem and nearly a third of all women would ask their hairdresser for advice. Men on the other hand, wouldn’t consult either of these professionals let alone a member of their family apart from those in the younger age group, 25% of whom who would turn to their Mum!

Cheryl Baker and Lee Sharpe join us live online on Wednesday 15th November at 3.00pm to discuss the problem with those also suffering from or worried about hair loss.


H: Murray Norton, host
C: Cheryl Baker
L: Lee Sharpe

Hello and welcome to the show, my name’s Murray Norton.  You might expect this from me, men apparently dread hair loss – and tell me all about it.  And some of them will lose it in their 40s, others in their 20s and it’s not just the men either.  Women also suffer from their hair thinking, and they even lose some as well.  We’ll be talking about that today.  The way people deal with that and the difference between the sexes is often very very different.  According to the very latest that we’ve had in research that’s come from Nourkrin, who have done all the research on it of how people deal with hair loss.  Well I’m delighted to say that joining me in the studio to talk about that, two people you wouldn’t expect to be sitting next to each other I guess, and that’s Cheryl Baker and Lee Sharpe, it’s good to have you both here thanks very much indeed for joining us

C: Thank you

L: Thank you

H: Ex-Man United and England footballer and ex-Bucks Fizz – I don’t see the common denominator between the two of you, but hair loss is that –

C: Well have you ever seen Lee rip his trousers off because it’s very similar!

H: You obviously have, I’m impressed that we open with Lee ripping his trousers off!

L: It’s been a long day, there’s a lot gone on!

H: Actually I have but we won’t talk about those TV shows right now.  No let’s talk about hair loss just to start off with because it’s something that I wouldn’t have ever said of either of you, that either of you have suffered from this.  What’s your story on this Lee?

L: Well my story is I was at home with my younger brother and my mum, and I was giving my brother a bit of stick because he was sort of losing it down here, and he’s got a bit of a patch at the back and you know he shaves his all off and has a skinhead, and I was taking the mickey out of him, and my mum – feeling sorry for my little brother – came over to me and sat on the couch and just started moving my hair about and was like “well you’re going thin” and it was something that I’d not really taken a lot of notice of, but just sort of down here and down here I was just going a little bit thin, so I went away, laughed and joked it off, and thought hang on a minute, got home, checked in the mirror and thought I’d better do something about it

H: Ok.  And have, by the looks of it – it looks like you’ve got plenty of hair there

L: Well yes it’s all back and thick and healthy

H: Alright well we’re talk more about that in just a second.  What’s your story on this Cheryl?

C: Well surprisingly women do lose their hair, but not for the same reason that guys do, it’s just you know if your dad and your granddad and past people in your families have lost their hair you probably will if you’re a guy, but if you’re a woman you don’t expect to lose your hair but there’s a great proportion of women that do, and unfortunately I was one of them, you can lose it because of stress – Lee’s mum actually had alopecia because of stress didn’t she?

L: Yes

C: You can lose it because of girly times – you know menopause, having babies all that stuff.  You can have it because it’s bad diet, you can have it, lose your hair because of medical reasons, there’s something physically wrong with you and you might not be aware of, so I would say the first thing you should do if you do start losing your hair as a woman is go and check it out with a doctor

H: Right well we’ll talk more about all of this in the next half hour, and if you’ve got any questions all you’ve got to do is, well put them down on that little box at the bottom of the screen there, it’s quite simple, send them into us and in the next half hour we’ll put those questions to Lee and to Cheryl and hopefully come up with some answers for you.  Before we talk about any of that though, you’re both in the spotlight, you’re both people that people will see in magazines, on TV so hair loss – I mean grooming and the hair that you have on your head is pretty important to your image isn’t it really?

C: It certainly is for me I would say, being a woman because people don’t expect to see me thinning as is what happened with me, it didn’t come out in clumps, it came out gradually and it was just thinning, and the only time I noticed it was when the water wasn’t draining away from the shower tray and my husband took at the filter and it was absolutely caked with hair, my hair, and it was then that I realised what was happening, I looked in the mirror and thought “oh, what’s happened” you know and then I started to pin in all these little pieces, you know at the back and around the sides and I bought a wig, which my children now use for dressing up, and I wore hats and scarves, I did anything I could to disguise myself because you just don’t feel like you’re a woman any more, you feel- you don’t feel attractive, you don’t feel confident, it really, it really knocks you sideways when – as a woman – to lose your hair

H: I guess speaking on behalf of guys Lee, we wouldn’t think about that of women would we really?  It’s not something we notice really

L: No I don’t think you take into consideration the amount of women that do start losing their hair.  Like Cheryl says a bloke can – not that he mentally deals with it very well but the physical changes in him they usually deal with and to have a skinhead for a bloke is quite fashionable and trendy at the moment, but for a woman it’s totally different.  I think emotionally and mentally-wise blokes suffer – maybe not as much as women – but I think they suffer a lot more than what we let on

H: Being a footballer, you’re as much a fashion icon as I expect you are a footballer when you’re on the field, for the people in the terraces you want to look your best as well as play your best I guess, and you had a few hairstyles didn’t you?

L: I had a few dodgy hairstyles yes, that’s probably not helped along the way with all the stuff I used to stick in it

H: But I guess the point really is that you want to look your best for the cameras don’t you?

L: Totally and we were just saying earlier you don’t see many players these days that have the sort of Bobby Charlton, where it sort of grows round the side and they try to sweep it over –

H: Sure

L: I think the sort of popularity of the skinhead really has sort of killed that, but no there’s a few players out there that if they miss a day’s shaving their head you can see the patches where they’ve lost their hair and they’ve been forced into having a skinhead rather than doing it by choice

H: And if you’re a TV presenter or you’re on stage, the camera never lies.  Hey I knew I’d get a –

C: You said, you told me your were going to get that in –

H: I was going to get a Bucks Fizz in – the camera never lies!  But it doesn’t for you does it?

C: No, it’s true

H: People expect you to look the same as well don’t they?

C: And do you know what, I did my hair today, I didn’t look in the mirror, I did it by – how does it look?

H: It looks good

C: Does it look alright?

H: It looks fine.  You’ve got plenty of it as well

C: Yes I have.  I have now

H: What happened, what was –

C: I took tablets, I was advised by a friend of mine –

H: These ones here?

C: Yes.  Nourkrin, I took Nourkrin because at that time what I’d done is go to the chemist and bought every kind of shampoo, conditioner, leave-on –

H: Hair thickening shampoo?

C: Hair thickening stuff – everything –

H: Not that I’d know obviously

C: No!  And I spent a fortune, I spent a fortune and of course, thinking about it, as my mate pointed out to me, why are you putting it on the outside, you’re just treating dead hair?  Because once your hair comes out, you know –they’re dead aren’t they?  It’s just dead.  They said what you should be doing is feeding it from the inside, you know feeding the follicles, and this Nourkrin which I take does exactly that, it’s completely natural, there’s nothing, no nasty additives, no chemicals in it and what’s it called, it’s called –

L: Marine extract

C: That’s it, it’s got that in it

H: Very good

C: It tastes a bit fishy but apart from that –

H: I worry because I’ve never seen a hairy fish in my life –

C: It’s good stuff

H: What I was going to say –

C: I’ll tell you what, my swimming’s come on a bundle!

H: Had a lotta hair but now those days are gone.  There’s another one

C: Oh please

H: Did you ever consider surgery, did you ever consider implants or anything like that –

C: I didn’t

H: Was that an option?

C: I didn’t no but I don’t know if you would have.  My husband certainly didn’t

L: No I would have probably gone down the same route as my brother and clippered it all off.  Yes I would have gone –

H: You’d have tailored it to the fashion of the time

L: Well yes

C: What happens when it’s not fashionable though?

H: That’s going to be a problem then isn’t it yes?

C: Yes

H: Good point.  Questions coming in as we’re nattering away here.  Angela Fairfax wants to know “is hair loss something you should start fighting when you’re young before it starts, if so what do you recommend, thank you?”  Well we’ve actually just been talking about –

C: I think as a man yes

L: I think so, yes.  Men start losing their hair at different ages, my brother was mid to late 20s, I’m sort of early to mid 30s I suppose if you want to start – I’ve not really lost my hair as much as my brother, but yes I think the earlier you can start looking after it, especially if you’ve got it in your family

C: Yes

L: If your parents or your grandparents are bald and have lost their hair then the chances are you’ll go the same way so start early

H: Start early with it.  The product that you’re talking about here, I hadn’t grasped fully – I hadn’t before I saw the product that it wasn’t a shampoo of some sort or that sort of thing

C: No

H: But they’re tablets.  This is the men’s, it’s slightly different from the women’s, obviously what you need are different things.  Those are the tablets, presumably it’s one a day isn’t it?

C: 2 a day

L: One in the morning and one at night

C: Yes

L: There are shampoos and conditioners that sort of go with it and help but that’s the sort of main thing that you take

H: Right

C: And scalp lotion as well

L: And scalp lotion yes

H: Oh right so there’s a whole range of treatment that goes with it?

C: Yes.  But it’s the tablets in particular I think, the others are just – they help out, that’s the tablets that do the trick

H: Is there a point where you, being someone professional or in the world of showbiz or in the world of the public eye, in the world of football, that you come out and say “do I want people to know about this or not?”  I guess you don’t want other people to be going through the same hair loss and not know what to do?

C: Well for my part at first I didn’t want anyone to know, including my husband, you know you try and – I hated myself, and then I thought one day it’s going to be in a magazine or someone’s going to mention it, so I thought I’d beat them to it and that’s when I came out and said “I am losing my hair” and that’s how my friend found out and introduced me to Nourkrin

H: Is that when other people started saying “oh thank Heavens, I thought I was the only one”

C: Yes and I’ve got really good mates, I hadn’t really thought about the fact that their hair’s thin, but it is.  And they’ve come to me since then and said does it work, can I try it and I’ve said yes, give it a shot, which they are doing now

H: Brave decision Lee?  Being public about it and saying I worried about losing my hair?

C: It must be brave for a young guy –

L: I don’t know I’m sort of quite thick-skinned towards abuse I suppose and criticism and a bit of banter so –

H: You’ve had it on the terraces haven’t you?

L: Yes I think it becomes, I think it’s more of a – when blokes talk about hair loss it’s more of a banter thing first, it becomes fun, then you go away and yourself, and you think seriously about what you want to do and how you can conquer what’s going on but no I have no problem with coming out and saying what’s what.  It’s amazing actually how many people that you find that actually want some tablets off you once you’ve come out and said actually I do take these, and they’ve said actually, “can you get us any?”  It’s like oh you take the mickey out of me for 5 minutes first and then ask me for tablets

C: Yes

H: Obviously a need isn’t it, in fact Dave’s one of those whose put a question in, Dave wants to know “how long do you have to keep using this for, is it something you start and stop, is it something you continue with?”

L: Well I’ve been taking it for sort of 7 or 8 months now – it takes 4-6 months I think it says on the box to properly start working . I’ve been taking it for 8 months, I’ve no plans to stop so –

H: If it’s working it’s working

L: Yes exactly.  I’m frightened to stop now

H: That’s it

C: Same as me

H: Chloe has asked a question, she’s just come in with a question for you Cheryl, she says “hi Cheryl, how did you feel when you started to lose your hair?”  Is it that fear of desperation and worry?

C: Yes all that stuff – hi Chloe!  I felt terrible, I felt shocking.  I mean I felt as if I wasn’t attractive to my husband, which meant far more to me than not, than the media or anyone like that.  I felt embarrassed to even as far as taking my children to school, it was that bad and I knew that I had to do something about it because I thought I can’t live my life like this, and I thought if it continues to come out how far is it going to go?  Am I going to be completely bald?  And that must have been really tough for Gail Porter when she lost her hair, you know to lose it completely, I can’t imagine what that must be like for a woman

H: It’s also having to go through an explanation of why as well

C: Yes

H: When sometimes maybe you don’t even know

C: No I didn’t know why.  There was 2 possible reasons, one was that I went through the menopause, but thinking about it today I was talking, and it was the same time as my mum passed away, so it could have been the stress of that or it could have been a combination of the two

H: Who knows

C: Who knows.  All I do know is I took Nourkrin and like you said it takes time, it took about 4 months before I noticed the difference but by 6 months my hair was better than it’s ever been

H: Now you’re in the land of make believe!

C: Oh make your mind up!!

H: I was saving make your mind up for a little bit later!  We can just do one sentence and they’ll all be gone won’t they, we’ll do that later.  Andy wants to know “is this product suitable for receding hairlines?” although he says his hair is seemingly to be thinning at the back as well, so is it better for receding, is it better for –

L: It’s for thinning – it’s a prevention

H: You’re looking at mine when you’re saying this aren’t you?  Because this is going back a long way now look

L: Yes I think we need to sort you some out actually

H: Thanks

C: I think once the follicles are dead, that’s it

L: Yes it’s a prevention not a cure really so if you are bald in areas it’s not going to bring your hair back, but if you are going thin it will thicken it out and improve the hair that you’ve got

C: It’s different for men and women, because for women generally the follicles haven’t – they’ve just gone dormant, they’re not dead.  Whereas with men once their hair falls out the follicle’s dead as well so for women the probability is the tablets will completely rejuvenate your hair.  With men it will prevent it from coming out

H: You can’t stop looking at my hair now can’t you?  We’re all looking at each other’s hair now.  I don’t mind, I don’t mind

L: It’s the shiny bit that keeps catching me in the eye

H: Yes thank you.  I’m not even going to go there.  Jessica Charles has come in with a question, he says moving on very politely, wants to know Jessica says “I’ve got thick hair but when I wash it it drops out a little bit, should I start getting concerned because there’s a lot of it ending up in the plug hole?

C: Yes that’s what happened to me a lot of it ended up in the plug hole so I would say go – if you’re concerned that your hair’s coming out, I’d go to the doctor first of all, have a check-up because there might be a medical reason for it.  If there isn’t a medical reason, think about – have you changed your diet, are you stressed at the moment, are you at the time of your life where your hair might fall out?  For any of those reasons or even if there is no reason, if you definitely are losing your hair, if you’ve got hair on your pillow, or on your towel when you dry your hair after your shower and it is coming out more, and lots in your hairbrush, that sort of thing then yes get yourself some Nourkrin, but stick with it, you’ve got to stick with it for a good 4-6 months at least

H: Question from someone by the name of Jelly, obviously staying anonymous unless that really is your name in which case I really do apologise – “is it hormones that affect our hair loss or is it just middle age?”  I guess it’s a bit of both isn’t it?

C: It’s all sorts, including those two

L: You can’t say it’s middle age when people like my brother are losing their hair at you know mid to late 20s, I had a friend from school who lost his hair at early 20s, so I don’t think it’s – I think it’s probably more hereditary more than –

H: Sure

C: It can be a shock as well can’t it?

L: Yes there’s all sorts – stress, shock, illness, there’s lots of reasons why people lose their hair

H: Probably as many reasons for that as there are for everything else there is

C: I thought you were going to come out with another title then

H: No no no – they will just crop up unexpectedly as soon as I can think of another one!  Alright?  So let’s stop them right here shall we?

C: Ok

H: Let’s have a new beginning –

L: Dear oh dear
H: Oh sorry, I just thought I’d put that one in there.  We’ve got Cheryl Baker and we’ve got Lee Sharpe with us and we’re talking on the serious side of things about hair loss, but on the unserious side of things about song titles for Bucks Fizz, as well as playing football for Manchester United and England as well.  If you’ve got any questions whatsoever we’re halfway through, just fill in that little form that’s right at the bottom there and you can send it straight into us live and we’ll put it straight through to Lee and Cheryl as we’re speaking.  Chris has just come in with a question and it’s just appeared on the screen right in front of me – “should we care so much about going bald, isn’t it just vanity all round?”

C: Yes

H: How do you feel about bald men?

C: Well –

H: I can ask that question because I’m going that way

C: I’m married to a bald man but I know that he didn’t want to go bald and he’s a musician, a rock musician and for him there are jobs I know that people won’t offer him because he doesn’t look right any more because he’s bald, so what he does is he wears a bandana or he wears a hat or something like that and that’s a shame.  And yes there’s a lot to do with vanity and it’s up to the individual, if you don’t feel that you need to worry then don’t take the tablets

H: Doesn’t affect Phil Collins or James Taylor

C: Well you don’t know, does it? Do they care

H: Inside it may –

C: I love James Taylor he’s my favourite, but I bet you they were really cheesed off when they lost their hair.  I bet you they were.  And if they’ve, there was nothing they could do about it because they’re too old and they went bald to young.  There is something you can do about it now and I bet you there’s a lot of people out there – you don’t have to be vain to not want to lose your hair, you just don’t want to – you’re happy with the way you look and you want to stay with it and so there’s something you can do about it now, but if you don’t care, don’t care – who cares?  I don’t care!

H: It’s a personal choice thing really isn’t it I guess?

L: Course it is

C: Exactly that

H: But I suppose we do take care, or we try and take care of the rest of ourselves as well, it’s only an extension of – it’s like saying keeping fit is vanity isn’t it?

C: But we do generally keep ourselves better now I think that we used to.  Guys especially with – I mean men now wear moisturiser.  My husband you know, if he hasn’t got his moisturiser and he is not a tart, he is such a man, my husband is such a man, but even  - he likes to moisturise his face and I think why shouldn’t he?

L: I think male grooming has become a huge business now and I think it’s actually acceptable these days for a bloke to groom himself and to look right and to look nice – there’s moisturisers and skin toners and – one of my mates wears a tinted moisturiser so he gets a bit of a tan while he’s moisturising I mean – that’s a bit far for me but if you’re talking about keeping your hair you know –

C: You can get that moisturiser now that makes you brown over a period of time –

L: Oh really?

C: Like Sun Shimmer and stuff like that

H: Look at it

C: It works, yes

H: Peter Clark has sent a question in, thank you Peter, Peter’s in his late 20s but he says his hair is already thinning and he was just going to be brave and he reckons if he does nothing about it he’s going to be bald by the time he’s 30 but he doesn’t know if he’s got the guts to go through with that plan now, he just wants to know, with your experiences Lee that you’ve had, you know did you experience the same sort of thing, was there a decision at your point where you thought am I going to try and save this or am I just going to try and let it go?

L:  Yes I think we’ve had this kind of conversation earlier about I was with a couple of mates in the pub on Sunday watching the football and we started bantering about each other’s hairlines and waist lines and everything about yourself, and you see other people in the pub and you’re like “that will be you in 5 years” and “that will be you in 10 years” and I was talking to my mate whose got a little bit of a receding hairline and he was like you know, I’ll have a bit of a tufty here still but I’ll be way back here and way back here and – you start summing things up of what you’ll look like in 5 or 10 years time and some people are happy with it and some people are not, and some people decide to make the effort and you know for me, if he thinks he’s going to be bald by 30 I’ll say well why not give the tablets a try for 12 months and he’s got nothing to lose if he’s going to be bald by 30 anyway, or so he feels he might as well give it a crack

H: Was the fact that you’re doing a lot of TV pundit work and you are seen on camera a lot, obviously we can mention Love Island and things like that, that your image is important to you as well?

L: Yes my image is important to me, I don’t think whether I was in front of the camera or not, I still think I suppose I’m vain to a certain degree that I like to keep my hair and I think I look better with hair, I don’t think my face suits a bald head particularly –

H: Take it off, let’s have a look – I’m joking

L: I’d prefer to keep it

H: No seriously, it’s regardless of the TV image of you or the press image of you?

L: Yes totally yes

H: Questions coming in Kitty just said “do you think it’s better to shave it off before you go bald or just to get to that stage?”  I guess the fashion’s been like that hasn’t it?

L: Yes the fashion dictates that you can go to skinhead without any real major problem, it’s just you know hair loss is generally something that happens slowly, unless you do have alopecia where it falls out overnight and you’re getting big clumps and big patches come out, like what happened to my mum.  You know if it’s just normal loss of hair it happens gradually so because you’re looking at your hair and doing it every day you’ll see it getting thinner and thinner and thinner gradually, but it’s when you decide to sort of say enough’s enough, it’s receded enough or that patch at the back’s just a little bit too big or it’s just how long people wait before they get the clippers out and take it all off

H: Question from Isabelle for either of you “do you feel that Nourkrin would help someone whose not losing that much hair but has just inherited thin hair?”

C: Now that I can’t answer because it you – my hair was thinning, it was coming out.  I’ve always had very fine hair –

H: Sure

C: But I don’t know.  If you have naturally thin hair, it won’t produce more follicles

H: No

C: I think it will feed the follicles that are there but I think if your hair – if you have thin hair I don’t think it’s going to give you more hair, it will just make any hair that’s come out grow back again.  But then again I’m not the scientist – oh sorry, I covered my microphone, I’m not the scientist and I don’t really know the answer to that. That’s my assumption

H: Yes alright that’s as good as you can give really isn’t it?  You can’t do any more than that can you?  I can’t think of another song title and I wish I could

L: I was waiting for one to come out there as well

H: There are some still lurking in there –

C: Oh there’s one that’s waiting, I’ve just got to choose the right time

H: You’re just going to get it in there aren’t you?

C: I want a piece of the action

H: Oh see you beat me to it!

C: A side tackle there

H: A piece of the action if you missed that one by the way.  This is from Caroline -

C: It was number 12 in 1981

H: Do you know the chart position of every one of Bucks Fizz-

C: Of course I do, of course

H: You’re just like the Guiness book of Bucks Fizz encyclopaedia really aren’t you?

C: It’s a massive book

H: It’s a big book isn’t it?  So Caroline, by the way back to hair just for a second, she says “if I feel like my hair loss was due to stress will this product help –

C: Yes

H: If I’m feeling stressed?”

C: Yes it will help, yes without doubt

H: Alright, well that’s that sorted out then.  Thank you for your question.  Plenty more questions still to come but I wanted to find out what you’re both doing these days because as I say we know and love you from many a television show, you’ve been treading the boards I know –

C: For the first time ever.  I’ve done pantos but they don’t count as much

H: Yes

C: I did Footloose the musical

H: Brilliant

C: And we toured the UK and then we ended up in the West End, we started in the West End in April and finished on Saturday, so I’ve just learnt what it’s like to have evenings free again for the first time in a year

H: After 8 shows, 8 shows a week –

C: 8 shows a week yes.  It’s brilliant, I loved it.  On a Sunday my husband would say “look let’s not do anything let’s just sit at home” and I’d say “Steve it’s my one day, I want to do anything, I want to do something”, it’s the one day when I can socialise and see people – well that is socialising.  So yes I’ve been doing that and now I’m doing some filming for the BBC for a programme called Inside Out.

H: Excellent, alright well it’s keeping you busy and obviously we’ll see more of you there

C: I’m very busy at the moment but I’m quite free in the New Year if anyone’s got any jobs!

H: We’ll make a note of that.  And Lee you’ve got the soccer schools in America?

L: Yes I’ve got soccer schools in America coming up over the summer, back in South Africa in April we we’re out there last month actually, in October, soccer schools there as well, the South Africa one’s non-profit, it’s for under-privileged kids, the homeless refuge and the home offenders prison – we’re trying to set up academies in every one of the provinces before the world cup in 2010 so busy busy

C: That’s brilliant

L: It’s good, yes, it’s good fun.  It’s really rewarding as well

C: I was going to say that it must be rewarding, not in your pocket but –

L: Oh no

C: To think the good you’re doing

L: Yes we went to the prison and some of the kids in there were just amazing. It was lump in the throat, you really feel for them

H: It’s good, good work and obviously commentating on the odd football match?

L: Yes I do I do a bit of commentary

H: Do you watch the football closely, I mean are you still watching matches?

L: I don’t, I mean even as a player I was never a great watcher, I like to play I was never keen on watching but it’s a social event now, we go down the pub, couple of lads and watch a game on a Sunday and I’ll do a bit of punditry on a Saturday morning or a live game on a Sunday so yes I know I watch my fair share.  As long as it’s a good game I don’t mind watching it

H: Which team is your heart with having played for a few?

L: I’m a Villa fan, I’m originally from Birmingham

H: And pleased with the way they’re doing at the moment?

L: And we’re doing particularly well this season yes

H: Is it 4th in the league?

L: Yes 4th in the league

H: They’re going to nose bleed if they get any higher, that’s ridiculous!

L: Oh I tell you Martin O’Neil is a legend!

H: For this week!

L: Yes

H: With the Villa fans, they’re not fickle at all are they?

L: No

H: Question in from Kitty that’s come in, Kitty wants to know if you’ve been watching I’m a Celebrity Get Me out of Here and do you think – who do you think’s going to win –

L: I haven’t seen it and refuse to watch it and get sucked into the whole –

C: That’s ‘cos you’re a bloke

L: Yes I refuse to get sucked into the whole I’ve got to be back to see I’m a Celebrity and I won’t get involved

C: You can ask me, I’ve been watching!

H: David Guess needs some of this doesn’t he?

C: Yes he does, he does but actually I’m impressed with David Guess I thought he was going to be a complete twit

H: Whose going to win?

C: Mylene KIass – she’s been lovely

H: She is lovely

C: And she’s doing stuff, she’s getting stuck in she’s not offending anybody

H: She’s lovely

C: She’s beautiful to look at –

H: Yes

C: Yes she’s been a good girl

H: Do you know I might start watching it now, you’ve just reminded me Mylene Klass is in it!

H: Would you go into anything like that?

C: Yes

H: You would?  If they asked you you’d be in like a shot wouldn’t you?

C: Yes

H: Big Brother, any of those?

C: No, can’t bear Big Brother

H: Celebrity in the Jungle?

C: Yes Celebrity in the Jungle, that’s what I want to do.  I’ve got a brother in Australia, I love Australia, I love all that, I like snakes and spiders and things, I’d like – I’m not sure about eating them!

H: You see we know you did Love Island – would you do anything like that again Lee?

L: No, no definitely not.  I think the 24-7 camera surveillance is quite intrusive and it takes you a week / 10 days to get used to it then you sort of live with it for a few weeks but when you get to the last week / 10 days it’s a little bit cabin feverish and you just want to get away from it

C: Were you confined to just a small area?

L: Yes security guards all the way round so you –

C: What a shame.  Where were you, Fiji?

L: Yes

C: Being in Fiji and –

H: Not being able to go anywhere

C: Yes

H: Still

L: I saw a little bit –

H: You saw a lot of bits but still, let’s not go into that!

C: Whose it?

H: Call her it now but it was Abby!  Lee –

L: You have to lower the tone!

H: Lee there’s a question in for you from Layla, Layla wants to know “are you a strong believer in this product firstly?”

L: I am

H: And secondly have you recommended it to any of your friends, namely any footballers?

L: Well I don’t actually knock around with footballers these days, they’re far too busy to knock around with me, but yes there’s a few of my mates on it, yes as soon as they heard about it and that I was taking it and what it does yes there’s a couple of my mates on it already

H: It’s one of those things, you said earlier on, isn’t it, they start off by taking the mickey out of it when they hear about it and then they want the tablets

L: Totally I’ve had the photos taken and you see the photos on the billboards and you get text messages and the mickey taken out of me all the time but they’re still calling to get some

H: Question from Jack in the last couple of minutes who says “should I use the Nourkrin extra, the extra strength for men or just the normal one?”  I didn’t know there was an extra strength but there we go, we’ve got –

L: It’s Nourkrin Man you need to use

H: Nourkrin Man

L: Because there’s an extra ingredient in there for men

C: Yes Nourkrin extra strength is – I mean it wouldn’t hurt them, it’s just the Nourkrin Man has got extra stuff in it for men isn’t it?

L: Yes

H: You said that so technically then!

C: Well I’m just assuming because it says Nourkrin Man

L: Puts hairs on your chest

C: Yes.  But that one, it’s not for women, but this is definitely for men

H: Right, that one for men so no don’t bother with the extra strength, just go for the man, that’s the one you want

L: That’s the one

H: Where do people get this, how do they get this?

L: You can go to the Nourkrin website or you can go to Boots, Holland & Barratt, health food shops

H: It’s widely available?

L: Widely available yes

H: It’s not something you need to go to the doctor and get a prescription for –

L: No

C: I got mine from Lloyds, Lloyds chemist.  It’s generally all over the place now.

H: So the future for you is taking a bit of time off after Christmas

C: Yes

H: And then looking for some more work?

C: Yes from March, these – my husband’s touring until the end of March so after that

H: And next thing for you Lee is?

L: Well Soccer camp in South Africa and then America – and a little bit of TV stuff in the middle which I can’t mention at the moment

C: Oh another –

H: A little bit of secret something!  In the last 30 seconds, here’s a question that’s just come in “Lee is your brother jealous of your long locks?”

L: Totally – yes he was actually gutted when he had to shave his head, although a skinhead really does suit him he was gutted when  - when it came to the time, he held on and held on – excuse me – until it was going further and further back and this bit was getting bigger and bigger, and then gave in and got the clippers out.  He was gutted

C: Especially being younger than you

L: Yes totally.  Especially with me taking the mick out of him all the time as well

H: Well listen we’re out of time, thank you both for being great guests, thanks for coming in and chatting

C: Pleasure

L: Thank you

H: So openly about subjects such as hair loss and I don’t know Love Island and everything else we’ve been chatting about as well.  If you want more information you can go to the website it’s www. and you’ll be able to find out more information.  Lee, Cheryl thank you both very much indeed

C: Thank you

L: Thank you

H: And thank you very much indeed for joining us

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